In book two and three we see the love affair with calypso play itself out, more importantly the deeds of Telemachus tells much of the hidden lessons concerning Greek history of the time. Telemarcus is sent to King Nestor to ask about Odysseus. King Nestor sends Telemachus to Sparta to meet with Menelaus and Helen who are celebrating the betrothal of their son and daughter. Menelaus recounts his own return from troy and exalts Odysseus heroism at troy. He also tells Telemachus that his father Odysseus is known to be a live and on the island of calypso.
So Meneleus knew where Odysseus was and he was not simply lost at sea during a storm. He knew that Odysseus had traveled west to said island. This portrays that the Greeks knowingly send Odysseus and his ships to said island. This further substantiates the belief that Odysseus set say west past the pillars of Hercules and was blown by fate to this course damned to sail based on his vocation as a island king. The storms that threw him west did not set his course west. The course was set purposefully and Menelaus knew it The suitors who are seduced by what Penelope represents yet are pushed away are trying to via for Odysseus kingdom while he is known to be a;live and on a journey for the Greeks. It might be argued that said journey is not generally publicized but knowledge of his well being and locatiuon , which contradicts a misfortune loss at sea, is a mission from the Greeks kept as info for those who needed to know like the other nobles of Greece. This proves that the suitors wanted to steal his kingdom instantly though the king lived and they knew it. Odysseus journey was important because it opened the routes west of the Mediterranean. Ass already mentioned it opened the routes to old Atlantis that the Greeks had interacted with prior to the rise of the Minoans. Hence the second troy and the last obstacle keeping the Greeks from open sea travel and reconnecting to their old trade routes that were part of their legend, the Creeks instantly set sail west taking advantage of their new found freedom at sea.
Friday, August 14, 2009
Saturday, August 8, 2009
The voice of metaphor and images in the Odyssey and the completion of calypso
The voice used in the Odyssey as part of the narration becomes determinable when one considers this:
At the beginning of this tale the narrator or voice of this epic says " After Troy Ulysses was blown by the winds and due to being cursed by Poseidon to the seas he was guided by the divine face and goddess of wisdom Athena.
This metaphor can be translated in modern as , being a sailor and explorer Ulysses fate blew him to calypso's island. ZBeing a sailor he was fated to be on the sea though wise and drawn to exployr for the sake of wisdom.
Ulysses journey east ward was hard fought, it was a labour that exhausted his crew as he met storms over the Atlantic, the boat was tossed and turned, the crew of the ships thought they might be lost till the boats found shore, flopped or wrecked themselves against the shores of calypso's island. A metaphoric exaggeration referring to the ordeal of the journey.
So we have determined the style and character of the language, metaphors and images in the Odyssey and this should help our exploration of the rest of this tale
The word calypso used in the modern musical genera was drawn from an older word meaning sacred song or dance and this words origin predates the sugar trade and the age of discovery.
Calypso is a matriarchal society and it was a love affair with the Greeks where they marry the society and only wisdom gets Ulysses to leave the island otherwise he would have became an unknown immortal, rather than renown as he became.
Ulysses journey starts off way outside the pillars of Hercules as the winds of fate and choppy waters brought him to calypso's carib island. After seven years the Greeks continue their journey freed to journey on the open sea as Troy's rise and grip on the Mediterranean had ended.
till next wek.
At the beginning of this tale the narrator or voice of this epic says " After Troy Ulysses was blown by the winds and due to being cursed by Poseidon to the seas he was guided by the divine face and goddess of wisdom Athena.
This metaphor can be translated in modern as , being a sailor and explorer Ulysses fate blew him to calypso's island. ZBeing a sailor he was fated to be on the sea though wise and drawn to exployr for the sake of wisdom.
Ulysses journey east ward was hard fought, it was a labour that exhausted his crew as he met storms over the Atlantic, the boat was tossed and turned, the crew of the ships thought they might be lost till the boats found shore, flopped or wrecked themselves against the shores of calypso's island. A metaphoric exaggeration referring to the ordeal of the journey.
So we have determined the style and character of the language, metaphors and images in the Odyssey and this should help our exploration of the rest of this tale
The word calypso used in the modern musical genera was drawn from an older word meaning sacred song or dance and this words origin predates the sugar trade and the age of discovery.
Calypso is a matriarchal society and it was a love affair with the Greeks where they marry the society and only wisdom gets Ulysses to leave the island otherwise he would have became an unknown immortal, rather than renown as he became.
Ulysses journey starts off way outside the pillars of Hercules as the winds of fate and choppy waters brought him to calypso's carib island. After seven years the Greeks continue their journey freed to journey on the open sea as Troy's rise and grip on the Mediterranean had ended.
till next wek.
Friday, August 7, 2009
What Helen of Greece means and the rest of calypso
I feel lucid and inspired so I will interpret the story of Calypso.
The calypso dance is a sacred practice that has found a normal part in Caribbean culture. The word calypso comes from the native Carrib past now merged with the general population of the islands. Calypso is a witch or sorceress that calls herself a nymph. If you recall Hercules encounters Atlas who goes to get fruit from Hera's tree of life that is tended to by nymphs and protected by a dragon. Here a child of the empire of the atlans or Atlas offers the Greeks with Odysseus (Ulysses in latin) immortality. The first to arrive on this island passed through the central Atlantic waters which are known to be stormy. So Ulysses found himself with his fleet on the shores of a Caribbean island like Barbados which contained healing springs and beliefs in immortality as did the ancient atlanteans. The people of calypso offered immortality and Ulysses might have achieved immortality by marrying the Greeks with these island people but wisdom defended his case and he moved on after 7 years or an Adam program, jubilee to jubilee, solar week. Ulysses found himself west of the pillars of Gibraltar and thus intended to go in this direction. To be swept from troy which homers says is east of Ithaca to past the straights of Gibraltar without intentionally sailing past them is near impossible and very unlikely. So the poets added the sorrow of the ideas of storms sweeping them away as they disappeared for 7 years in the period just after the Trojan War.
To explain what had occurred. Greece was free and growing in power, vassal states began joining the just and righteous Paris who had fallen in love with the beauty that was Greece. He had married Helen of Greece. By his gift many Greeks joined the Trojans. He had stolen the wife or allies married to Greece through Helens husband, brother to Agamemnon, Menelaos, king of Sparta. However when they tried to leave the alliance and return to Greece many Trojans stopped them and put them into servitude, this led the Greeks to attack troy and free the people subjugated by the Trojans, Paris fled west to Trojan colonies in southern France then inland to where Paris is now. Freed of the fleet of the now fallen child of Minoa the Trojan empire the Greeks ventured once more outside the Mediterranean. The first journey by Ulysses was to the legendary lands in the west of Atlantis drawn from stories even before Hercules. Paris brought judgment down on the Trojans and caused them to disperse after troy was razed. After troy fell the free nations of Greece returned to their unity with Greece and The other vassal/allies of troy were explored by Ulysses and the other Greeks and each was made part of Greece and/or their culture and religion, including practices, were added to the religious practices of the ancient Greek universal perspective and way to the divine. Ulysses having succeeded in reaching high levels of transcendence including immortality, a databases and journey through Hades and bring peace to his land upon returning ended up remaining as a great tale of the period , which includes the gifts of the rituals that Ulysses and Greeks became exposed to that led to this epoch of their history.
Paris who got the fruit of life was a good and just person, he made Greeks love him and join him but when they tried leaving troy not Paris would not let them leave and in the end their actions caused Greece to defend itself and peoples sovereignty by attacking and razing troy. No real women was stolen rather it is a metaphor for losing allies and those affiliated with the Greeks as well as Greeks themselves to an empire they joined willingly but later were not allowed to make their own decisions including leaving the union. Thus they were treated unjustly.
So the Greeks once more make contact during Ulysses with the Americas. It seems every age does, from Vikings to Basque, to Egyptian, roman, Phoenician, Chinese, Japanese, Polynesian, to Hindu, to Muslim to Inuit to African, Russian and so on
Finally Helen of Greece’s mother Leda was nemesis daughter, Helen was Leda's and Zeus daughter, so Helen is a might woman of renowned because her mother is a just woman and deified prior to her birth, she represented all of Greece during this age. Thesseus tried winning her heart at one point as he tried becoming the soul leader of Greece after ousting the Minoans, yet had to return the then young Helen who later married Menelaos and into the ruling family of the mightiest noble rulers of then Greece.
till tonight
The calypso dance is a sacred practice that has found a normal part in Caribbean culture. The word calypso comes from the native Carrib past now merged with the general population of the islands. Calypso is a witch or sorceress that calls herself a nymph. If you recall Hercules encounters Atlas who goes to get fruit from Hera's tree of life that is tended to by nymphs and protected by a dragon. Here a child of the empire of the atlans or Atlas offers the Greeks with Odysseus (Ulysses in latin) immortality. The first to arrive on this island passed through the central Atlantic waters which are known to be stormy. So Ulysses found himself with his fleet on the shores of a Caribbean island like Barbados which contained healing springs and beliefs in immortality as did the ancient atlanteans. The people of calypso offered immortality and Ulysses might have achieved immortality by marrying the Greeks with these island people but wisdom defended his case and he moved on after 7 years or an Adam program, jubilee to jubilee, solar week. Ulysses found himself west of the pillars of Gibraltar and thus intended to go in this direction. To be swept from troy which homers says is east of Ithaca to past the straights of Gibraltar without intentionally sailing past them is near impossible and very unlikely. So the poets added the sorrow of the ideas of storms sweeping them away as they disappeared for 7 years in the period just after the Trojan War.
To explain what had occurred. Greece was free and growing in power, vassal states began joining the just and righteous Paris who had fallen in love with the beauty that was Greece. He had married Helen of Greece. By his gift many Greeks joined the Trojans. He had stolen the wife or allies married to Greece through Helens husband, brother to Agamemnon, Menelaos, king of Sparta. However when they tried to leave the alliance and return to Greece many Trojans stopped them and put them into servitude, this led the Greeks to attack troy and free the people subjugated by the Trojans, Paris fled west to Trojan colonies in southern France then inland to where Paris is now. Freed of the fleet of the now fallen child of Minoa the Trojan empire the Greeks ventured once more outside the Mediterranean. The first journey by Ulysses was to the legendary lands in the west of Atlantis drawn from stories even before Hercules. Paris brought judgment down on the Trojans and caused them to disperse after troy was razed. After troy fell the free nations of Greece returned to their unity with Greece and The other vassal/allies of troy were explored by Ulysses and the other Greeks and each was made part of Greece and/or their culture and religion, including practices, were added to the religious practices of the ancient Greek universal perspective and way to the divine. Ulysses having succeeded in reaching high levels of transcendence including immortality, a databases and journey through Hades and bring peace to his land upon returning ended up remaining as a great tale of the period , which includes the gifts of the rituals that Ulysses and Greeks became exposed to that led to this epoch of their history.
Paris who got the fruit of life was a good and just person, he made Greeks love him and join him but when they tried leaving troy not Paris would not let them leave and in the end their actions caused Greece to defend itself and peoples sovereignty by attacking and razing troy. No real women was stolen rather it is a metaphor for losing allies and those affiliated with the Greeks as well as Greeks themselves to an empire they joined willingly but later were not allowed to make their own decisions including leaving the union. Thus they were treated unjustly.
So the Greeks once more make contact during Ulysses with the Americas. It seems every age does, from Vikings to Basque, to Egyptian, roman, Phoenician, Chinese, Japanese, Polynesian, to Hindu, to Muslim to Inuit to African, Russian and so on
Finally Helen of Greece’s mother Leda was nemesis daughter, Helen was Leda's and Zeus daughter, so Helen is a might woman of renowned because her mother is a just woman and deified prior to her birth, she represented all of Greece during this age. Thesseus tried winning her heart at one point as he tried becoming the soul leader of Greece after ousting the Minoans, yet had to return the then young Helen who later married Menelaos and into the ruling family of the mightiest noble rulers of then Greece.
till tonight
Addendum on Ogygia
Ogygia, in Homer's Odyssey, the island of Calypso. It is described by Homer as being far away to the west beyond Scheria (generally identified in antiquity with Corcyra), and as the ‘navel of the sea’; but it is not clear whether it was thought of as being in the Mediterranean or in the Ocean further west.
from http://www.answers.com/topic/ogygia
therefore it is fitting to place this island outside the medittereanean and part of the age of Atlantis in Odysseus time.
ok more tomorrow.
from http://www.answers.com/topic/ogygia
therefore it is fitting to place this island outside the medittereanean and part of the age of Atlantis in Odysseus time.
ok more tomorrow.
Odysseus, Calypso and Book One of Homer's Oddyssey
Odysseus, Calypso and Book One of Homer's Oddyssey
So I began looking for info to analysis the journeys of Odysseus, a site I could steer you to so you can read what will be analysis ed ahead of my posting it.
I found a good summary of the odyssey at : http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/odyssey/
and http://www.theoi.com/Nymphe/NympheKalypso.html
I will look at book one today and one book per day, or one island or land at a time).
In book one Telemachus the son of Odysseus who was a new born when troy began is now a young man. Odysseus is on island Ogygia with the goddess Calypso who has fallen in love with Oddysseus. Calypso is said to be the daughter of atlas and offers Odysseus immortality like atlas retrieving the fruits of life for Hercules. So the first journey sets Odysseus ship wrenched on a colony of Atlantis. An immortal goddess of this island offers Oddysseus immortality in exchange for marrying her. Penelope is plagued with suiters that Telemachus is trying to get rid of Odysseus is from the island kingdom of Ithaca. ?His story represents the rise of the greek naval age post Minoan empire. So the first power the greeks encounter after Troy is atlantean. Odysseus played a huge role in troy and we will look at the Iliad after, we might actually place and time date it more accurately by ;looking at it in this manner.
Since the Basque speak a language that resembles languages in meso to south America where is this island that calypso is from? Is it outside the pillars of Hercules? Calypso is not Antlantean herself but draws lineage from Atlantis. Is this island in the Mediterranean? the basque are in spain, northern france, troy was wear?
Paris is wear? Calypso is also a type of dance, just to illustrate use of such words in other cultures. She detains Odysseus for 7 years and the Gods, Athena pleads his case to have him released. The Goddess of wisdom is protects Odysseus.
Did Odysseus become immortal via calypso but did nor know it?
was this on the other side of the Mediterranean and away from troy and the same storms caused Paris to land in France?
today post is to allow you to read and think about it.
A closer examination of Calypso will occur tomorrow
by the end of this examination we will KNOW homers tale and thee secrets Socrates proper ts exist hidden in its poetic images.
till tomorrow
So I began looking for info to analysis the journeys of Odysseus, a site I could steer you to so you can read what will be analysis ed ahead of my posting it.
I found a good summary of the odyssey at : http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/odyssey/
and http://www.theoi.com/Nymphe/NympheKalypso.html
I will look at book one today and one book per day, or one island or land at a time).
In book one Telemachus the son of Odysseus who was a new born when troy began is now a young man. Odysseus is on island Ogygia with the goddess Calypso who has fallen in love with Oddysseus. Calypso is said to be the daughter of atlas and offers Odysseus immortality like atlas retrieving the fruits of life for Hercules. So the first journey sets Odysseus ship wrenched on a colony of Atlantis. An immortal goddess of this island offers Oddysseus immortality in exchange for marrying her. Penelope is plagued with suiters that Telemachus is trying to get rid of Odysseus is from the island kingdom of Ithaca. ?His story represents the rise of the greek naval age post Minoan empire. So the first power the greeks encounter after Troy is atlantean. Odysseus played a huge role in troy and we will look at the Iliad after, we might actually place and time date it more accurately by ;looking at it in this manner.
Since the Basque speak a language that resembles languages in meso to south America where is this island that calypso is from? Is it outside the pillars of Hercules? Calypso is not Antlantean herself but draws lineage from Atlantis. Is this island in the Mediterranean? the basque are in spain, northern france, troy was wear?
Paris is wear? Calypso is also a type of dance, just to illustrate use of such words in other cultures. She detains Odysseus for 7 years and the Gods, Athena pleads his case to have him released. The Goddess of wisdom is protects Odysseus.
Did Odysseus become immortal via calypso but did nor know it?
was this on the other side of the Mediterranean and away from troy and the same storms caused Paris to land in France?
today post is to allow you to read and think about it.
A closer examination of Calypso will occur tomorrow
by the end of this examination we will KNOW homers tale and thee secrets Socrates proper ts exist hidden in its poetic images.
till tomorrow
Saturday, August 1, 2009
Odysseus and The cyclopean islands
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The cyclopean Islands are found on the eastern part of the Aegean. Archeologist has found statues made by pre Greeks that depict one eyed beings. The island group is named after the peoples who held these one eyed being in high regard as a religious figure.
In the Odysseus tale the Greeks go to the islands and are welcomed in as friends. They are well treated. Soon one of the Cyclopses closes his cave and began devouring the Greeks. Odysseus introduced himself as a nobody and the Cyclops also saw him as a nobody. Odysseus blinds the Cyclops and escapes with his people riding under the sheep as they left to graze in the mourning. The Cyclops who was eating them cried out to the rest of them that he was blinded by a nobody and they reply how can nobody blind you?
Religiously the Cyclops’s eye represents the eye of enlightenment or the third eye. It is God's eye or the all Seeing Eye of authority the elite class and clerics had in the cyclopean society. To blind it means to destroy its authority and power, not the Cyclops eye but the particular Cyclops eye. The other peaceful Cyclops who did not try destroying the Greeks figuring they were no ones laughed at this clan (maybe secluded on one of the islands) how can the person you called no one blind you. The clerics/leader, most likely an autocracy lived off the fruits of their fold or flock; these are represented by the sheep that produced the milk that the Cyclops used as a staple for their food. This choice of fruit indicates one of the food staples of these people. These were the cheese eating herders of the cyclopean religion. The analogy goes further to illustrate how the bad Cyclops representing all the bad ones did evil because they did not respect the Greeks and their flock of believers help save the Greeks and blind that faction of dissention in cyclopean society. The other Cyclops and their flocks like the flock that helped the Greeks based on the same grace of God as represented by Zeus and the all Seeing Eye then unified and became part of the Greek empire.
So bad clerics were blinded by their unholy evil actions and were eliminated by the Greeks who were thought of as nobodies and made targets till saved by the good people on the island. Were the Cyclops the same race as the flocks? I think so as I believe when one said Cyclops in the Greece of Odysseus time one would have thought of the leadership and authority of the island folks of cyclopean island dwellers.
Unlike the Circe story the Cyclops story refers to xenophobia and racism leading to a unity of people after the evil people were blinded, excommunicated from authority in that society.
Till next week.
I will start more sequentially.
The cyclopean Islands are found on the eastern part of the Aegean. Archeologist has found statues made by pre Greeks that depict one eyed beings. The island group is named after the peoples who held these one eyed being in high regard as a religious figure.
In the Odysseus tale the Greeks go to the islands and are welcomed in as friends. They are well treated. Soon one of the Cyclopses closes his cave and began devouring the Greeks. Odysseus introduced himself as a nobody and the Cyclops also saw him as a nobody. Odysseus blinds the Cyclops and escapes with his people riding under the sheep as they left to graze in the mourning. The Cyclops who was eating them cried out to the rest of them that he was blinded by a nobody and they reply how can nobody blind you?
Religiously the Cyclops’s eye represents the eye of enlightenment or the third eye. It is God's eye or the all Seeing Eye of authority the elite class and clerics had in the cyclopean society. To blind it means to destroy its authority and power, not the Cyclops eye but the particular Cyclops eye. The other peaceful Cyclops who did not try destroying the Greeks figuring they were no ones laughed at this clan (maybe secluded on one of the islands) how can the person you called no one blind you. The clerics/leader, most likely an autocracy lived off the fruits of their fold or flock; these are represented by the sheep that produced the milk that the Cyclops used as a staple for their food. This choice of fruit indicates one of the food staples of these people. These were the cheese eating herders of the cyclopean religion. The analogy goes further to illustrate how the bad Cyclops representing all the bad ones did evil because they did not respect the Greeks and their flock of believers help save the Greeks and blind that faction of dissention in cyclopean society. The other Cyclops and their flocks like the flock that helped the Greeks based on the same grace of God as represented by Zeus and the all Seeing Eye then unified and became part of the Greek empire.
So bad clerics were blinded by their unholy evil actions and were eliminated by the Greeks who were thought of as nobodies and made targets till saved by the good people on the island. Were the Cyclops the same race as the flocks? I think so as I believe when one said Cyclops in the Greece of Odysseus time one would have thought of the leadership and authority of the island folks of cyclopean island dwellers.
Unlike the Circe story the Cyclops story refers to xenophobia and racism leading to a unity of people after the evil people were blinded, excommunicated from authority in that society.
Till next week.
I will start more sequentially.
Framing Helen of Greece as daughter of God and beginning of Greek theban epoch Epoch
In the Iliad the peoples who constituted the Trojans were taking the beautiful wife of Greece or Helen of Greece. This represents the empire of the Mycenaean’s. Helen was the wife of the king of Sparta Menelaus, She was said to be a daughter of God and born of Zeus (God) and Lidia the Spartan or Nemesis (Satan) seduced by Zeus in the form of an ephemerae or Swan. Lidia or nemesis laid two eggs in one Helen and the divine blood line of the Greeks of the Mycenaean’s and the second through her husband of Sparta Tyndareus. The two blood lines became merged in her marriage to the just son of man Menelaus a relative of the other egg or blood line. Troy had conquered many of the Mycenaean provinces and had stolen the beauty and peace of the Mycenaean empire, so to regain the beauty of Greece the Greeks attacked the troy ending the rise of this people and opening up to Theban rise and the later part of the Mycenaeam empire post troy and Minoans, as well as pre Dorian
The Dorian Greeks came to Greece with horses and used iron and disrupted the Mycenaean empire breaking it up into city states. Mycenaean was the legacy of Hercules that was later conquered by Minoa and liberated by the Greek Moses Theseus which means sacrifice) Some of the Mycenaean empire began falling to Trojans before the battle of troy began and led to the Greeks rising via Thebes and expending its empire through these people which included the cyclopean islands.
The cyclopean islands next (tonight)
Thus we have Greek epochs
To Hercules to Thesus
Theseus to Troy
Troy to end of Odysseus journey
finally from said journey to the dorians
The Dorian Greeks came to Greece with horses and used iron and disrupted the Mycenaean empire breaking it up into city states. Mycenaean was the legacy of Hercules that was later conquered by Minoa and liberated by the Greek Moses Theseus which means sacrifice) Some of the Mycenaean empire began falling to Trojans before the battle of troy began and led to the Greeks rising via Thebes and expending its empire through these people which included the cyclopean islands.
The cyclopean islands next (tonight)
Thus we have Greek epochs
To Hercules to Thesus
Theseus to Troy
Troy to end of Odysseus journey
finally from said journey to the dorians
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