Ulysses wisdom or Athena hides from him where he is in mist and fog. Ulysses is mystified with the new land and his better judgment leads him to think he is not home, that the Phaeacians fooled him and left him somewhere else. The Post Phaeacians Greece and Ithaca of Ulysses did not resemble by wisdom the same place it was. Ulysses had thought the Phaeacians had fooled the Greeks making them something else than what they should have been, but it took his wisdom as a encounter with a Sheppard to realise that the Phaeacians had done Ulysses such a favour that they became Greeks and not a separate people, thus the change that was unrecognised. The Sheppard was Athena and Ulysses tried hiding who he was from her till she revealed her identity and Ulysses realised he was facing the divine personification of divine wisdom through him. Athena told him that Telemarcus was off trying to gather information concerning his whereabouts. She told him to find refuge with his pig herd as he prepared to get rid of the suitors vying for his wife Penelope, his kingdom and ultimate the future fate and guild for the Greeks. Ulysses' wisdom had to become the Sheppard to Shepard the Greeks into a new age based on the paradigm of his civilly appropriate peaceful ways. He had to bring into being a spring (spring is Er in ancient Greek) of a new age of humanity through the Greeks. Ulysses goes to Eumaeus his pig herders who does not recognise him but invites him eat to feast on pork. He asks him where Ulysses is from and Ulysses replies he was from Crete and fought in troy with Ulysses. He later went to Egypt and went astray finding himself in poverty and later Ithaca,
This historic note portrays that after the fall of the Minoan empire the remaining Cretans became allied with the Greeks and their origin Egypt had fallen to poverty in this age. For if it was not a normal thing for a Cretan to fight along side a Greek and people finding poverty in Egypt the story would not have been believed by the pig herder.
Saturday, November 28, 2009
Friday, November 27, 2009
The Er of Odysseus, Phaeacian Socrates to Christ
Book 12 ends with Odysseus telling Alcinous that he will not reiterate his story on Calypso's island as they have heard it and book 13 of the odyssey starts with Alcinous loading a boat for Odysseus anticipated return home.
The Phaeacian crew steer the ship while Odysseus sleeps all night long and even after the ship lands back at Ithaca Odysseus home shores. They gently carry Odysseus ashore and leave him and his gifts sleeping on the shore. As the Phaeacian crew reaches Scheria Poseidon who finds Odysseus on the shores of Ithaca gets mad that this crew helped him reach home and appeals to Zeus to be allowed to punish them. As prophesized in book 8 Zeus allows the punishment and the ship is turned to stone and sinks in the harbour, this causes the Phaeacians to take on a xenophobic policy concerning helping wayward travelers.
Odysseus wakes up on the shores of Ithaca in a country so different he does not recognise it.
This part of book 13 portrays the transition in the shipping practices of the Phaeacian. Their friendly voyages and interaction with peoples like the Greeks ends with the destruction of their ships and them turning to stone or statues. The days of Phaeacian interaction with other nations are now at the bottom of the sea that acts like a museum to the heyday of the Phaeacian naval empire. To Odysseus it almost seems like a dream to suddenly wake up from his journeys back on the shores of Ithaca. It is a beginning of a new era in Greece and the results of the growth of the Greek empires and naval travels have affected mainland Greece. It is as if the Greeks suddenly wake up and beginning to look at themselves, the effects of post Trojan growth and the effects of Greeks of this era concerning other Greeks.
The politics and effects arise as the Phaeacian wane. The sleeping to waking represents the sleepy heydays the Greeks experience while Phaeacian is strong and does not find most of its ships at the bottom of the sea. Part of this shift may be due to their interaction with the Greeks. The Phaeacians allied with the Greeks and soon their ships became upgraded and one with the Greeks, in fact they became Greeks and thus were no longer an independent people to rule and sail around interacting with people on their own.
Note Er of Plato’s myth of Er is the son of Alcinious and represents the transition to the new type of Greek that becomes the fertile ground that becomes the beginning of Socratic Greeks as the Socratic philosopher appears to be a second Er and Christ a third growing from the Greeks of the second. (See Plato’s mythologizing of the myth of Er by Chrysovalantis (Val) Petridis, inkwaterpress, USA, 2009)
The Phaeacian crew steer the ship while Odysseus sleeps all night long and even after the ship lands back at Ithaca Odysseus home shores. They gently carry Odysseus ashore and leave him and his gifts sleeping on the shore. As the Phaeacian crew reaches Scheria Poseidon who finds Odysseus on the shores of Ithaca gets mad that this crew helped him reach home and appeals to Zeus to be allowed to punish them. As prophesized in book 8 Zeus allows the punishment and the ship is turned to stone and sinks in the harbour, this causes the Phaeacians to take on a xenophobic policy concerning helping wayward travelers.
Odysseus wakes up on the shores of Ithaca in a country so different he does not recognise it.
This part of book 13 portrays the transition in the shipping practices of the Phaeacian. Their friendly voyages and interaction with peoples like the Greeks ends with the destruction of their ships and them turning to stone or statues. The days of Phaeacian interaction with other nations are now at the bottom of the sea that acts like a museum to the heyday of the Phaeacian naval empire. To Odysseus it almost seems like a dream to suddenly wake up from his journeys back on the shores of Ithaca. It is a beginning of a new era in Greece and the results of the growth of the Greek empires and naval travels have affected mainland Greece. It is as if the Greeks suddenly wake up and beginning to look at themselves, the effects of post Trojan growth and the effects of Greeks of this era concerning other Greeks.
The politics and effects arise as the Phaeacian wane. The sleeping to waking represents the sleepy heydays the Greeks experience while Phaeacian is strong and does not find most of its ships at the bottom of the sea. Part of this shift may be due to their interaction with the Greeks. The Phaeacians allied with the Greeks and soon their ships became upgraded and one with the Greeks, in fact they became Greeks and thus were no longer an independent people to rule and sail around interacting with people on their own.
Note Er of Plato’s myth of Er is the son of Alcinious and represents the transition to the new type of Greek that becomes the fertile ground that becomes the beginning of Socratic Greeks as the Socratic philosopher appears to be a second Er and Christ a third growing from the Greeks of the second. (See Plato’s mythologizing of the myth of Er by Chrysovalantis (Val) Petridis, inkwaterpress, USA, 2009)
Saturday, November 21, 2009
Fate via Hades for Ulysses
Alcinious asks Ulysses to recount the other spirits he encounters from Hades. Ulysses retells of the spirit of Agamemnon the Greek hero who does not fall in battle but at the hands of his wife Clytemnestra. No Trojan could take him down but his wife did. Achilles then appears and asks about his son and heir Neoptolemus. Ajax the Achaean who killed himself after failing to win the arms and rank of Achilles refuses to speak to him and slips away. He also sees great heroes like He sees Heracles, King Minos, the hunter Orion, and others. These heroes sit on the elision fields or heaven yet their spirits or imprints in Hades appear during the Hades ritual. Ulysses then sees Sisyphus, struggling eternally to push a boulder over a hill only to have it roll back down whenever it reaches the top and calls it a punishment. To illiterate the hidden metaphor used by homer and the God(s) one must interpret Tantalus, punishment. Tantalus, hungers and thirsts, he sits in a pool of water over hung by grapes but when he reaches for them the move away from his reach. Aesop understood what this metaphor of sour grapes meant and every Greek knew the tale that this was drawn from, i.e. the fox and the grapes. The water also sinks away from grasp every time Tantalus, reached for water. So both the above and below receded from grasp. After bit the souls mob Ulysses asking of the fate of his relatives and by extension Greece so Ulysses races back to the ship frightened of this question of Greek fortune.
The greatest heroes were at more danger domestically than by foreign enemies. Greeks were at more danger fighting each other for dominance over each other Achilles heir was who Odysseus or his son? It was Odysseus and not Ajax or the son, Ajax represents the Greeks who killed themselves trying to dominate the Greeks and the son those in natural lineage for that throne. The great heroes that represent the spirit of greatness in the Greeks become present to compare with the heroes domestically in danger by family and other Greeks. Each hero like Hercules bound the Greeks peacefully as Odysseus does and will, but did not cause each to kill the other. Even king Minos of the Minoans had conquered all of Mycenae. These are the ones who did dominate all of Greece. Sisyphus represents the karmic circle the Greeks suffer as they repeat the mistakes of the past unable like the heroes like Hercules and Odysseus to go past them The fate all the spirits want to know about is through Odysseus the paradigm of the new Greeks Cause those who try to dominate Greece not as the old heroes like Hercules reach for something unattainable and even that which they have or think they stand in is beyond their capability and reach. For Ulysses it is simply sailing to wards his goal that sets him apart as the one who can obtain what is out of reach for some because he learned to deal with peoples peacefully and cause marriages without conflict.
The greatest heroes were at more danger domestically than by foreign enemies. Greeks were at more danger fighting each other for dominance over each other Achilles heir was who Odysseus or his son? It was Odysseus and not Ajax or the son, Ajax represents the Greeks who killed themselves trying to dominate the Greeks and the son those in natural lineage for that throne. The great heroes that represent the spirit of greatness in the Greeks become present to compare with the heroes domestically in danger by family and other Greeks. Each hero like Hercules bound the Greeks peacefully as Odysseus does and will, but did not cause each to kill the other. Even king Minos of the Minoans had conquered all of Mycenae. These are the ones who did dominate all of Greece. Sisyphus represents the karmic circle the Greeks suffer as they repeat the mistakes of the past unable like the heroes like Hercules and Odysseus to go past them The fate all the spirits want to know about is through Odysseus the paradigm of the new Greeks Cause those who try to dominate Greece not as the old heroes like Hercules reach for something unattainable and even that which they have or think they stand in is beyond their capability and reach. For Ulysses it is simply sailing to wards his goal that sets him apart as the one who can obtain what is out of reach for some because he learned to deal with peoples peacefully and cause marriages without conflict.
Friday, November 20, 2009
Oddyssey and the myth of Er, Parlimentary reform and votes on confidence
here is a excerpt from the ruff copy of my text Chrysovalantis Petridis Plato's mythologizing the myth of Er, Inkwaterpress USA 2009
I will analyze the section on hades tomorrow and recommend this book to further your intellectual tools concerning interpreting ancient myths.
The ideas associated with the human roles characters chose as their new lives are metaphors for different types of humans. Each new life embodies the content of the archetype they represent. For example, Atalanta's choice for a new life represents the archetype of a professional athlete. She embodies the ideas associated with such athletes like the desire for honours. Her past life was that of a huntress. The idea of the professional athlete is connected to the ideas associated with the huntress to produce the idea of the huntress that hunts game for fame and honour. Epius’ choice for a new life represents the archetype of the female or feminine artisan. Epius was a boxer and the builder of the Trojan horse. Building this wooden horse would have been seen as a male military enterprise and connecting it to a female artisan produces the idea of a builder who is an effeminate artist. This effeminate artist also boxes. As mentioned earlier, Odysseus chooses to live the private life. Odysseus’ choice for a new life represents the type of person who chooses the seclusion of the private life as a necessary result of the misfortune he found when seeking public honour. The choice to live the private life is his attempt to escape the punishments and misfortunes that he suffered because of his pursuit of honour. Odysseus was one of the Greek generals in Troy. His pursuit of the honour of being the one that caused the Greeks to win in Troy led to the burning of its temples. The gods then punished him for causing the circumstances that led to this sacrilegious event. Consequently, he wandered the seas for decades before returning to Thebes. His character in the myth is cured of the pursuit of honour because of his punishment by the gods. He chooses to live the life of the private person because of this punishment. His new life represents the seclusion that one divinely punished might engage in to avoid further punishment. His choice to live the private life is a reaction to his punishment and not a choice he desired to make. Since the divine is a metaphor for life, Odysseus’ divine punishments can be seen simply as the misfortunes he suffered as a result of his pursuits in public life. The image of Odysseus at the end of the myth is the divinely punished or misfortunate in life that chose to be antisocial and reclusive to avoid further punishment. Odysseus’ choice to live the private life is not heroic. In fact, it can be argued that he represents someone who tried to be a hero and had his life fall apart because of it. Thus, he chooses to avoid further misfortune by giving up his pursuit of public honour and becoming a recluse.
The last thing concerning parliamentary reform concerns votes of non confidence. traditionally if a the house of commons losses a vote on a bill or calls for a vote of non confidence the prime minister with advice from the governor general dissolves the government. In a time of minority government and as has been scene of late this can happen easily.
I suggest that once the prime minister seeks the council of the attorney general there the Governor General can veto the vote or accept it dissolving government. If a strong majority votes to overturn the governor generals vote the vote is sent to the senate to vote for or against the dissolution of the House of Commons. Now the senate can be set up in two ways either it is voted for every federal election or to be true to its spirit as a long standing house of sober second thought it can be elected every two elections. Thus it could dissolve the government once without forcing itself into an election or maintain it to full term to prolong their term.
I will analyze the section on hades tomorrow and recommend this book to further your intellectual tools concerning interpreting ancient myths.
The ideas associated with the human roles characters chose as their new lives are metaphors for different types of humans. Each new life embodies the content of the archetype they represent. For example, Atalanta's choice for a new life represents the archetype of a professional athlete. She embodies the ideas associated with such athletes like the desire for honours. Her past life was that of a huntress. The idea of the professional athlete is connected to the ideas associated with the huntress to produce the idea of the huntress that hunts game for fame and honour. Epius’ choice for a new life represents the archetype of the female or feminine artisan. Epius was a boxer and the builder of the Trojan horse. Building this wooden horse would have been seen as a male military enterprise and connecting it to a female artisan produces the idea of a builder who is an effeminate artist. This effeminate artist also boxes. As mentioned earlier, Odysseus chooses to live the private life. Odysseus’ choice for a new life represents the type of person who chooses the seclusion of the private life as a necessary result of the misfortune he found when seeking public honour. The choice to live the private life is his attempt to escape the punishments and misfortunes that he suffered because of his pursuit of honour. Odysseus was one of the Greek generals in Troy. His pursuit of the honour of being the one that caused the Greeks to win in Troy led to the burning of its temples. The gods then punished him for causing the circumstances that led to this sacrilegious event. Consequently, he wandered the seas for decades before returning to Thebes. His character in the myth is cured of the pursuit of honour because of his punishment by the gods. He chooses to live the life of the private person because of this punishment. His new life represents the seclusion that one divinely punished might engage in to avoid further punishment. His choice to live the private life is a reaction to his punishment and not a choice he desired to make. Since the divine is a metaphor for life, Odysseus’ divine punishments can be seen simply as the misfortunes he suffered as a result of his pursuits in public life. The image of Odysseus at the end of the myth is the divinely punished or misfortunate in life that chose to be antisocial and reclusive to avoid further punishment. Odysseus’ choice to live the private life is not heroic. In fact, it can be argued that he represents someone who tried to be a hero and had his life fall apart because of it. Thus, he chooses to avoid further misfortune by giving up his pursuit of public honour and becoming a recluse.
The last thing concerning parliamentary reform concerns votes of non confidence. traditionally if a the house of commons losses a vote on a bill or calls for a vote of non confidence the prime minister with advice from the governor general dissolves the government. In a time of minority government and as has been scene of late this can happen easily.
I suggest that once the prime minister seeks the council of the attorney general there the Governor General can veto the vote or accept it dissolving government. If a strong majority votes to overturn the governor generals vote the vote is sent to the senate to vote for or against the dissolution of the House of Commons. Now the senate can be set up in two ways either it is voted for every federal election or to be true to its spirit as a long standing house of sober second thought it can be elected every two elections. Thus it could dissolve the government once without forcing itself into an election or maintain it to full term to prolong their term.
Saturday, November 14, 2009
Ulysses' vision of change concerning the Greek's fate in his time.
Ulysses stops his tale with the prophet of Thebes and asks his Phaeacian friends to be allowed to go to sleep. However the king and Queen urge Ulysses to continue his tale. The pause seems to synmbolise that Ulysses had imparted the full lesson concerning the past of the Greeks and how the older Greeks broke their backs to become what only a prophet like Tiresias could foresee. The queen and King ask if Ulysses saw any other people from the battle of troy.
Ulysses describes his adventure concerning said heroes and people of the time of troy.
I will analyses this further next week and let you think about his descriptions with this in mind: the people depicted represent the old decaying archetypes of the old Greece that broke its back to be born a new as what Ulysses represents and embodies as a paradigm. The old is buried and gone and desires to be fully buried. The new is a prophets divine dream made concrete still manifesting into the future as a message for a messenger like a spring or as the ancient Greeks say an Er to the decay of the winter of the decay caused by troy and the victory that unleashed the new wondering of the newly formed Greeks of Ulysses time.
To help you understand this more you can buy my text Plato's Mythologizing the myth of Er,https://www.inkwaterbooks.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=petridis&osCsid=506265ca528d90913964d82832ae6802&x=0&y=0______##3##___0___##4##______ available from ink waterpress a division of firstbooks. If you go to www.amazon.com you can order it directly. Look Up Chrysovalantis Petridis or the book This text outlines the method of analyses necessary to understand the symbols and images of this section of the Odyssey and all similar mythologies.
Enjoy.
This is also Ulysses vision in his descent or as the Greeks call it "Katebasis" during the Hades ritual of communing with the dead.
"He relates his encounters there: he meets Agamemnon, who tells him of his murder at the hands of his wife, Clytemnestra. Next he meets Achilles, who asks about his son, Neoptolemus. Odysseus then tries to speak with Ajax, an Achaean who killed himself after he lost a contest with Odysseus over the arms of Achilles, but Ajax refuses to speak and slips away. He sees Heracles, King Minos, the hunter Orion, and others. He witnesses the punishment of Sisyphus, struggling eternally to push a boulder over a hill only to have it roll back down whenever it reaches the top. He then sees Tantalus, agonized by hunger and thirst. Tantalus sits in a pool of water overhung by bunches of grapes, but whenever he reaches for the grapes, they rise out of grasp, and whenever he bends down to drink, the water sinks out of reach. Odysseus soon finds himself mobbed by souls wishing to ask about their relatives in the world above. He becomes frightened, runs back to his ship, and immediately sails away." from http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/odyssey/section6.rhtml
Ulysses describes his adventure concerning said heroes and people of the time of troy.
I will analyses this further next week and let you think about his descriptions with this in mind: the people depicted represent the old decaying archetypes of the old Greece that broke its back to be born a new as what Ulysses represents and embodies as a paradigm. The old is buried and gone and desires to be fully buried. The new is a prophets divine dream made concrete still manifesting into the future as a message for a messenger like a spring or as the ancient Greeks say an Er to the decay of the winter of the decay caused by troy and the victory that unleashed the new wondering of the newly formed Greeks of Ulysses time.
To help you understand this more you can buy my text Plato's Mythologizing the myth of Er,https://www.inkwaterbooks.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=petridis&osCsid=506265ca528d90913964d82832ae6802&x=0&y=0______##3##___0___##4##______ available from ink waterpress a division of firstbooks. If you go to www.amazon.com you can order it directly. Look Up Chrysovalantis Petridis or the book This text outlines the method of analyses necessary to understand the symbols and images of this section of the Odyssey and all similar mythologies.
Enjoy.
This is also Ulysses vision in his descent or as the Greeks call it "Katebasis" during the Hades ritual of communing with the dead.
"He relates his encounters there: he meets Agamemnon, who tells him of his murder at the hands of his wife, Clytemnestra. Next he meets Achilles, who asks about his son, Neoptolemus. Odysseus then tries to speak with Ajax, an Achaean who killed himself after he lost a contest with Odysseus over the arms of Achilles, but Ajax refuses to speak and slips away. He sees Heracles, King Minos, the hunter Orion, and others. He witnesses the punishment of Sisyphus, struggling eternally to push a boulder over a hill only to have it roll back down whenever it reaches the top. He then sees Tantalus, agonized by hunger and thirst. Tantalus sits in a pool of water overhung by bunches of grapes, but whenever he reaches for the grapes, they rise out of grasp, and whenever he bends down to drink, the water sinks out of reach. Odysseus soon finds himself mobbed by souls wishing to ask about their relatives in the world above. He becomes frightened, runs back to his ship, and immediately sails away." from http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/odyssey/section6.rhtml
The checks and balances of an elected governors general and governing council in Canada
To finish off the conversation concerning the elected Governor general.
I was thinking about it and have a few finer details to the system proposed yesterday that fits the original and still on the book powers of the governor general and lieutenant governors.
Ok the original power is to veto laws passed by the parliament if it does not inhere with the monarchs or governors wishes based on conferring with the monarch.
Since there is no monarch the wishes of the governor general are the authority. Since he is elected federally by all Canadians these wishes would reflect the people he represents, the prime minister is not elected or voted on by everyone in Canada, only his riding votes for him, yet he represents all Canadians while also representing his riding.
the prime minister would still have all the powers bestowed upon him traditionally and currently.
The governor general would represented all Canadians who are capable of voting for this position directly
If a veto occurs it is returned to parliament if 70% of the lieutenant vote against the veto
each lieutenant is elected provincially and thus represent the province they are elected in.
the reason for a strong majority verses a normal majority of 51% is that most of the regional or provincial representation must think the veto or Ascension, as they can vote to veto, should be overturned.
Once a bill ascends past this governors council it becomes law. Of sent back to parliament , it can be re debated and sent to the governors council for another vote, this process can be done several times or both senate and house can have a vote to over turn the decision of the governing council of another strong majority or 70% of the house as a free vote, meaning not one that would cause a election if defected in said houses. The senate would also have to have a 70% vote to over turn the decision.
If said vote passes the veto is over ruled and the bill ascends to law and thus becomes enforced and can be altered in the traditional way based on the Court system, judiciary in Canada.
This system would allow for changes to bills that would make lieutenant governors or even the governor general change sides and vote the opposite way.
this makes law federally accountable to localities and the head of state that represents all voting Canadians at the same time.
Now if a provincial law passes, as provinces have set spheres of powers delineated by law as provincial domains, the lieutenant governor of that provincial decides whether to veto or pass the bill as traditionally outlined by law. If the governor general who traditionally could in accord with the monarch veto or pass a provincial bill decides on the side of the lieutenant governor of that province the decision stands. If he counters the decision then a normal majority of other lieutenant governors( 51+) must vote in accord with the governor general to have the lieutenant governor of that province decision over turned. A bill that passes the governors council becomes laws effective to enforcement and justification. If it returns to the provincial parliament it can be re-debated and sent to the governors council for another vote or a strong majority vote to overturn the governors council derision as a free vote must be passed through the provinces parliament and house(s).
Since one provinces decision is local it takes both the representation of all Canadians and a majority of other provinces to over turn a lieutenant governors decision. However if the governor general and lieutenant governor of said province agree with the decision concerning a particular bill it passes no matter what the other lieutenant governors vote.
thus the system has perfect checks and balances, maintains the tradition and current outlined powers of the different parts of the Canadian political system, makes the country more interactive politically with each other and more accountable to the people it serves and represents. This system is unique and Canadian based ion the system already existing in Canada and utilises the checks and balances originally created to keep the system accountable. The checks and balances are lacking currently as the Governor general does not actively use his powers as he is appointed by the prime minster for ceremonial purposes only. This returns the system to its intention while improving it to reflect the power vested in it as a fully sovereign state with the patriation of the constitution in 1982.
To illustrate this system further it would be like the president of the US having his cabinet made up of elected reps from each state on top of the senators elected to the US senate.However Unlike the present, the Governor general would unify the country politically and effect provincial and federal laws. The governing council dos not make up the cabinet in Canada as the Canadian cabinet would still be formed by the prime minister from members of the house of commons.
As I have already mentioned ridings for an elected senate not restricted to the boarders of provinces adds the element of an elected house that repre4sents Canadians based on regions not restricted to provincial boarders.
More Ulysses in a few minutes.
I was thinking about it and have a few finer details to the system proposed yesterday that fits the original and still on the book powers of the governor general and lieutenant governors.
Ok the original power is to veto laws passed by the parliament if it does not inhere with the monarchs or governors wishes based on conferring with the monarch.
Since there is no monarch the wishes of the governor general are the authority. Since he is elected federally by all Canadians these wishes would reflect the people he represents, the prime minister is not elected or voted on by everyone in Canada, only his riding votes for him, yet he represents all Canadians while also representing his riding.
the prime minister would still have all the powers bestowed upon him traditionally and currently.
The governor general would represented all Canadians who are capable of voting for this position directly
If a veto occurs it is returned to parliament if 70% of the lieutenant vote against the veto
each lieutenant is elected provincially and thus represent the province they are elected in.
the reason for a strong majority verses a normal majority of 51% is that most of the regional or provincial representation must think the veto or Ascension, as they can vote to veto, should be overturned.
Once a bill ascends past this governors council it becomes law. Of sent back to parliament , it can be re debated and sent to the governors council for another vote, this process can be done several times or both senate and house can have a vote to over turn the decision of the governing council of another strong majority or 70% of the house as a free vote, meaning not one that would cause a election if defected in said houses. The senate would also have to have a 70% vote to over turn the decision.
If said vote passes the veto is over ruled and the bill ascends to law and thus becomes enforced and can be altered in the traditional way based on the Court system, judiciary in Canada.
This system would allow for changes to bills that would make lieutenant governors or even the governor general change sides and vote the opposite way.
this makes law federally accountable to localities and the head of state that represents all voting Canadians at the same time.
Now if a provincial law passes, as provinces have set spheres of powers delineated by law as provincial domains, the lieutenant governor of that provincial decides whether to veto or pass the bill as traditionally outlined by law. If the governor general who traditionally could in accord with the monarch veto or pass a provincial bill decides on the side of the lieutenant governor of that province the decision stands. If he counters the decision then a normal majority of other lieutenant governors( 51+) must vote in accord with the governor general to have the lieutenant governor of that province decision over turned. A bill that passes the governors council becomes laws effective to enforcement and justification. If it returns to the provincial parliament it can be re-debated and sent to the governors council for another vote or a strong majority vote to overturn the governors council derision as a free vote must be passed through the provinces parliament and house(s).
Since one provinces decision is local it takes both the representation of all Canadians and a majority of other provinces to over turn a lieutenant governors decision. However if the governor general and lieutenant governor of said province agree with the decision concerning a particular bill it passes no matter what the other lieutenant governors vote.
thus the system has perfect checks and balances, maintains the tradition and current outlined powers of the different parts of the Canadian political system, makes the country more interactive politically with each other and more accountable to the people it serves and represents. This system is unique and Canadian based ion the system already existing in Canada and utilises the checks and balances originally created to keep the system accountable. The checks and balances are lacking currently as the Governor general does not actively use his powers as he is appointed by the prime minster for ceremonial purposes only. This returns the system to its intention while improving it to reflect the power vested in it as a fully sovereign state with the patriation of the constitution in 1982.
To illustrate this system further it would be like the president of the US having his cabinet made up of elected reps from each state on top of the senators elected to the US senate.However Unlike the present, the Governor general would unify the country politically and effect provincial and federal laws. The governing council dos not make up the cabinet in Canada as the Canadian cabinet would still be formed by the prime minister from members of the house of commons.
As I have already mentioned ridings for an elected senate not restricted to the boarders of provinces adds the element of an elected house that repre4sents Canadians based on regions not restricted to provincial boarders.
More Ulysses in a few minutes.
Friday, November 13, 2009
An elected Govenor General-political reform
In reference to the idea of an elected head of state I would posit this for consideration.
In 1980 the constitution was patriated eliminating all powers of the monarchs and parliaments in Britain to dictate or have any part to do with legal and constitutional matters in Canada.
However, the pre patriated constitutional system is still maintained.
In a time of minority Government the problems that arise without the check and balances developed in light of the monarchy and the governor general are even more obvious. The powers the Governor General has to check and maintain the political power structure of the Canadian system are necessary to the proper and healthy functioning of the Canadian system.
This means no majority government tyrannies and early elections if said majority is not maintained.
The structure of the Canadian system necessitates a head of state.
In fact the check and balances of each province and territory necessitates lieutenant governors to check said provincial governments.
My suggestion is: elect the governor general as part of the federal government elections. Elect lieutenant governors during provincial elections
Continue to allow the governor general to have the traditional veto he has though it is no longer used. Create a council of Governor General and lieutenant governors who can veto and force laws back to debate. Allow a unanimous lieutenant governor vote (7 or 8 out of 10) to over rule the governor general including the approval of laws. This allows provinces and the governor general have a sober second thought concerning laws as they were intended to do from their inception; without this the Canadian system has had the problems we have seen because it was set up to include said powers but lacks the strength of a head of state.
This is different than the US system
Ok so the council of governors could veto the House of Commons with both the governor general and no strong majority amongst the other left governors. A strong majority can counter the governor general.
In provincial situations if the governor general or strong majority agrees with a provincial law it passes, it can be vetoed if governor general and strong majority oppose it
This would make every part of the country accountable and part of the electoral process.
Further more electing a senate based on territory and not population would create a perfect governmental system. I would over lap senate riding between provinces to foster more cooperation and feeling of unity between then, Ontarions and Quebecers sharing rep via senators.
I will emphasise that without the veto of the Governor general and lieutenant governments the Canadian political system is missing an essential part that would make it accountable and alleviate most if not all the mechanistic logistic problems that occur with the Canadian political system
This is the only way to restore Canada to the accountable political system it was originally meant to be while alleviating the problems that have arose since the removal of the Monarchs from Canadian political endeavours.
Thank you
In 1980 the constitution was patriated eliminating all powers of the monarchs and parliaments in Britain to dictate or have any part to do with legal and constitutional matters in Canada.
However, the pre patriated constitutional system is still maintained.
In a time of minority Government the problems that arise without the check and balances developed in light of the monarchy and the governor general are even more obvious. The powers the Governor General has to check and maintain the political power structure of the Canadian system are necessary to the proper and healthy functioning of the Canadian system.
This means no majority government tyrannies and early elections if said majority is not maintained.
The structure of the Canadian system necessitates a head of state.
In fact the check and balances of each province and territory necessitates lieutenant governors to check said provincial governments.
My suggestion is: elect the governor general as part of the federal government elections. Elect lieutenant governors during provincial elections
Continue to allow the governor general to have the traditional veto he has though it is no longer used. Create a council of Governor General and lieutenant governors who can veto and force laws back to debate. Allow a unanimous lieutenant governor vote (7 or 8 out of 10) to over rule the governor general including the approval of laws. This allows provinces and the governor general have a sober second thought concerning laws as they were intended to do from their inception; without this the Canadian system has had the problems we have seen because it was set up to include said powers but lacks the strength of a head of state.
This is different than the US system
Ok so the council of governors could veto the House of Commons with both the governor general and no strong majority amongst the other left governors. A strong majority can counter the governor general.
In provincial situations if the governor general or strong majority agrees with a provincial law it passes, it can be vetoed if governor general and strong majority oppose it
This would make every part of the country accountable and part of the electoral process.
Further more electing a senate based on territory and not population would create a perfect governmental system. I would over lap senate riding between provinces to foster more cooperation and feeling of unity between then, Ontarions and Quebecers sharing rep via senators.
I will emphasise that without the veto of the Governor general and lieutenant governments the Canadian political system is missing an essential part that would make it accountable and alleviate most if not all the mechanistic logistic problems that occur with the Canadian political system
This is the only way to restore Canada to the accountable political system it was originally meant to be while alleviating the problems that have arose since the removal of the Monarchs from Canadian political endeavours.
Thank you
Elpenor versus heban prophet Tiresias
In the ritual of Hades, in the land of Perce phony the first soul Odysseus encounters is Elpenor the crew member who fell and broke his back on Circes Island. Elpenor begs Odysseus to return to Circe’s island and properly bury him. Odysseus then encounters the Theban prophet Teiresias who tells of his future.
The first soul represents the past of the Greeks dieing and decaying as the old humanity falls to the past. The Theban prophet Teiresias represents the future of the Greeks and that eventually they will have to appease Poseidon for their sea faring exploits esp. against the Cyclops. Teiresias is a prophet now dead but who sees into the future and foretells of the future by way of prophesy. The rash Greeks are dead and being buried while the Greeks foreseen by prophets and holy men are being formed in the future a new people born anew from the womb of Hades
More to finish what we skipped in book 11 and why we did tomorrow
I will be posting an idea concerning an elected Governor General momentarily.
The first soul represents the past of the Greeks dieing and decaying as the old humanity falls to the past. The Theban prophet Teiresias represents the future of the Greeks and that eventually they will have to appease Poseidon for their sea faring exploits esp. against the Cyclops. Teiresias is a prophet now dead but who sees into the future and foretells of the future by way of prophesy. The rash Greeks are dead and being buried while the Greeks foreseen by prophets and holy men are being formed in the future a new people born anew from the womb of Hades
More to finish what we skipped in book 11 and why we did tomorrow
I will be posting an idea concerning an elected Governor General momentarily.
Saturday, November 7, 2009
the land of the dead and sun cattle doing American Olmec/mayan Calypso dancing
Persephone might have been a Celtic/ early Greek colony on the west coast of Africa.
Now let’s look back at the path Ulysses took:
The land of the dead and the dead channeled through a ritual of Haiti was outside the Pillars of Hercules, at the river Oceanus or the Atlantic Ocean. The Atlantic Ocean was called an ocean because of this reference. Calypsos Island and the island of the sun cattle were both outside the pillars. Thus our summation that Calypsos Island was outside the Pillars of Hercules and in the Caribbean is now a sound theory, infect as the island is considered west of the land of the dead it must be towards the Americas. the island of the sun cattle is the Mayans of the island of three or the place of Atlantis, as Socrates and the Egyptian he was speaking too stated in a platonic dialogue, Atlantis suffered a catastrophe and was broken into three islands, thus the name of the place of the sun cattle was named the place of three (land masses) In fact, based on the dating of Ulysses, it was about the time south America suffered a flood that made it disappear for a shot while and the ice age was nearing its end. Hence in Hercules time Atlantis suffered its first catastrophe and began to sink as water levels rose to flood even the Mediterranean. By Ulysses time the island(s) of the sun cattle be they Olmec or Mayan were prosperous and suffered their end after Ulysses.
One will also notice the land of Persephone is another matriarchal society.
More next week.
Now let’s look back at the path Ulysses took:
The land of the dead and the dead channeled through a ritual of Haiti was outside the Pillars of Hercules, at the river Oceanus or the Atlantic Ocean. The Atlantic Ocean was called an ocean because of this reference. Calypsos Island and the island of the sun cattle were both outside the pillars. Thus our summation that Calypsos Island was outside the Pillars of Hercules and in the Caribbean is now a sound theory, infect as the island is considered west of the land of the dead it must be towards the Americas. the island of the sun cattle is the Mayans of the island of three or the place of Atlantis, as Socrates and the Egyptian he was speaking too stated in a platonic dialogue, Atlantis suffered a catastrophe and was broken into three islands, thus the name of the place of the sun cattle was named the place of three (land masses) In fact, based on the dating of Ulysses, it was about the time south America suffered a flood that made it disappear for a shot while and the ice age was nearing its end. Hence in Hercules time Atlantis suffered its first catastrophe and began to sink as water levels rose to flood even the Mediterranean. By Ulysses time the island(s) of the sun cattle be they Olmec or Mayan were prosperous and suffered their end after Ulysses.
One will also notice the land of Persephone is another matriarchal society.
More next week.
Friday, November 6, 2009
Haiti of africa, the land of the queen of the dead, holy blood rituals sommoning the dead and prophets
If one notices that Circe had instructed Odysseus as to how he would survive the various matriarchal peoples the Greeks would encounter, this portrays that the wisdom Odysseus gained from Circe and the Greeks that broke their backs to equal him became the key to understanding and dealing with these people and ultimately shape the image of the virtuous Greek represented by Odysseus.
"Following Circe's advice, Odysseus set sail westward toward the river Ocean and the shores of Persephone. He then went into a cave, taking honey, milk, wine, and a black goat. He dug a hole and poured in the ingredients followed by the blood of the goat. This attracted all the shades in Hades, who have a thirst for blood. Odysseus was terrified by the sight of them.
From http://www.theriverstyx.net/odysseus.shtml
Oceanus was the name later given by the Greeks to the interconnected waters of the Oceans, Thus Odysseus had to have left the Mediterranean to reach the Atlantic( Oceanus has also referred to Space but that is a rare reference not indicative of this tale unless one wants to place Odysseus into space?)
Persephone was representative of an earth terra Celtic tribe in northern Africa.
The root of her people was European Celts stolen and merged with the peoples of Africa or Haiti of Africa.
One could place her people in Spain prior to being taken into Africa or going to Africa. The fact that at the river of Oceanus or the Atlantic at the shores of Persephone Odysseus lands to meet the shades of Hades. A land becoming milk, homey, wine and goats blood to create holy blood formula peoples of this land us to channel spirits of the dead. The dead crave holy blood to give audience to an oracle or person summoning them. Like the witch of Endor (see bible) Odysseus calls to a spirit of a prophet, Teiresias, who sits in Hades for being a misogynist, he would have been on the Elysian Fields if more perfect. Like Samuel, Teiresias the prophet that came to Odysseus warns him of his future plight, to stop the Greeks from slaughtering the cattle of the sun and the troubles he will encounter upon returning home.
Now one might say Teiresias was not in Hades and only is referred to have been so based on the Hades ritual practiced in the land of the queen of the dead or Persephone. However his misogyny needed to be confessed to expose the anti matriarchal sentiment of the Greeks prior to Odysseus in Teiresias time. See through Circe and his other adventures as a representative of the new paradigm of the Greeks was not misogynistic but wise by way of egalitarianism. For only an egalitarian is called wizard or wise by all people’s men and women.
The goat is a religious symbol and haranguer of divination in someplace on the west coast of Africa.
If Persephone was a titan does that make the Celts titans of the age of the titans or just of that age? Is Persephone their Goddess representing their people?
"Following Circe's advice, Odysseus set sail westward toward the river Ocean and the shores of Persephone. He then went into a cave, taking honey, milk, wine, and a black goat. He dug a hole and poured in the ingredients followed by the blood of the goat. This attracted all the shades in Hades, who have a thirst for blood. Odysseus was terrified by the sight of them.
From http://www.theriverstyx.net/odysseus.shtml
Oceanus was the name later given by the Greeks to the interconnected waters of the Oceans, Thus Odysseus had to have left the Mediterranean to reach the Atlantic( Oceanus has also referred to Space but that is a rare reference not indicative of this tale unless one wants to place Odysseus into space?)
Persephone was representative of an earth terra Celtic tribe in northern Africa.
The root of her people was European Celts stolen and merged with the peoples of Africa or Haiti of Africa.
One could place her people in Spain prior to being taken into Africa or going to Africa. The fact that at the river of Oceanus or the Atlantic at the shores of Persephone Odysseus lands to meet the shades of Hades. A land becoming milk, homey, wine and goats blood to create holy blood formula peoples of this land us to channel spirits of the dead. The dead crave holy blood to give audience to an oracle or person summoning them. Like the witch of Endor (see bible) Odysseus calls to a spirit of a prophet, Teiresias, who sits in Hades for being a misogynist, he would have been on the Elysian Fields if more perfect. Like Samuel, Teiresias the prophet that came to Odysseus warns him of his future plight, to stop the Greeks from slaughtering the cattle of the sun and the troubles he will encounter upon returning home.
Now one might say Teiresias was not in Hades and only is referred to have been so based on the Hades ritual practiced in the land of the queen of the dead or Persephone. However his misogyny needed to be confessed to expose the anti matriarchal sentiment of the Greeks prior to Odysseus in Teiresias time. See through Circe and his other adventures as a representative of the new paradigm of the Greeks was not misogynistic but wise by way of egalitarianism. For only an egalitarian is called wizard or wise by all people’s men and women.
The goat is a religious symbol and haranguer of divination in someplace on the west coast of Africa.
If Persephone was a titan does that make the Celts titans of the age of the titans or just of that age? Is Persephone their Goddess representing their people?
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